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trusted4u
Posting Yak Master
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 Posted - 2003-04-22 : 01:29:15
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Hello everybody :Just thought of clearing one doubt. Oracle DBAs are paid higher or SQL SERVER DBAs ?  Regards,- Marjo. |
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nr
SQLTeam MVY
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Posted - 2003-04-22 : 01:46:29
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| Depends if they know what they are doing.Both fields are cheap for novices and expensive for experts in the short term.But both will end up being more expensive for novices.==========================================Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.DTS can be used in a similar way.Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy. |
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jaypatel
Starting Member
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Posted - 2003-04-22 : 05:32:53
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| Oracle has gotton stupidly complex and myriad of variant skills required is what bungs up the price for a quality DBA. However, Oracle appears to be making DBA work easier knowing that they've got things too messy by having nice gui tools etc - worries me that it could me more novices around to screw things up. |
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tkizer
Almighty SQL Goddess
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Posted - 2003-04-22 : 12:58:48
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| Well typically Oracle DBAs get paid more, but of course it all depends on experience and other factors as nr mentions.Tara |
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trusted4u
Posting Yak Master
109 Posts |
Posted - 2003-04-23 : 01:02:54
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| Thanks everybody.I came across one person who is working in Oracle as a customer support and solution provider executive. But he was not aware of the payscale of SQL DBAs. When I asked him about the difference between Oracle and SQL Server he gave me this link :http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/oracle9i/db_sqlfeat.htmlAnd he further added that SQL Server is not used by big companies.Regards,- Marjo. |
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byrmol
Shed Building SQL Farmer
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Posted - 2003-04-23 : 01:29:20
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Troll Score: 10/10quote:
And he further added that SQL Server is not used by big companies.
DavidM"SQL-3 is an abomination.." |
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robvolk
Most Valuable Yak
15732 Posts |
Posted - 2003-04-23 : 07:28:10
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| Yeah, I always thought of Microsoft as a small company myself. |
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ValterBorges
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1429 Posts |
Posted - 2003-04-23 : 08:52:53
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| Why did Unix lose their market to Microsoft Windows?Complexity & Cost Why will SQL Server continue to win market share?Less Complex, Less Expensive, Better Performance, Meets 95% of the needs of most companies.Majority adoption wins and Microsoft doesn't need to spread to all large companies in order to win. Just into the majority of companies and into the homes of all those who work for large companies.Why do you think Oracle offers 9i development trial for free. They caught on to the fact that it starts at home, at school and with small businesses.Microsoft has spent the past few years competing with Sun Microsystems and Java working on developing the .NET strategy and building up their Business Software portfolio. Take a guess what they will focus on next.Edited by - ValterBorges on 04/23/2003 09:04:41 |
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efelito
Constraint Violating Yak Guru
478 Posts |
Posted - 2003-04-23 : 10:32:56
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| Wow... that article has changed the direction of my life. What was I thinking? How could I have been so blind? Oracle is the only true database.... NOT!If that wasn't the biggest piece of skewed propaganda I've ever seen then my name is Richard the Lion Heart.Jeff Banschbach, MCDBA |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
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Posted - 2003-04-23 : 11:02:33
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| I also love the fact that the link he gave you was from...um let me guess...ORACLE.Still all said and done, exposure to multiple platforms is a serious plus....even knowing the difference from mainframe (whats that?) and clent server...how to talk between the two....dealing with BIG BLUE stuff...just good to know...You could be a 100% expert in 1 thing, but....if that last worm had been malicious....who knows.Brett8-) |
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Andraax
Aged Yak Warrior
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Posted - 2003-04-23 : 11:08:43
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| Yeah that article was pure BS. Their references to tpc-c are purely suicidal. Take a look and you'll see what I mean... Not many Oracle top scores...[url]http://www.tpc.org/tpcc/results/tpcc_perf_results.asp?resulttype=all&version=5[/url] |
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jaypatel
Starting Member
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Posted - 2003-04-24 : 06:10:14
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| I'd suggest that those MS DBA's who haven't managed or DBA'ed a large Oracle environment get some exp. before mouthing off. SQL Server is fine - but has some serious limitations - as mentioned - SQL Server original architecture was to support small to large departmental requirements and its grown since.Look at internal SQL code objects and you will see how deep Oracle goes - what is it in SQL Server - procedures and functions. In terms of availability - the OS has to be taken into question - and the fact is no matter how much Nintendo Administrators curse and swear - UNIX platforms are much more stable - but more complex to manage.Having said that and as a 10yr+ Oracle DBA - SQL Server is a breadth of fresh air. My worries with Oracle and the market that drives it is that it has lost sight of what it wanted to be and is trying to fit everybody agenda - the product is getting way to complex. |
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nr
SQLTeam MVY
12543 Posts |
Posted - 2003-04-24 : 09:00:23
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| Personally I've never met an Oracle developer who understands relational processing - but maybe I've just met a lot of bad ones.Thought this was about pay scales?Anyone who says either Oracle or SQL Server can't fulfill a business functional requirement probably just doesn't know the product.Haven't looked at the link - but there was a white paper from microsoft some time ago proving that VB5 was faster than c++. Suspect it is similar.I always say that a poor oracle system will perform better than a poor sql server system (but sql server is catching up) but that's a reason for employing people who are experienced. Again sql server fails here because it's so simple to get running companies let novices build there initial systems - then either decide to rewrite or decide that it's sql server at fault.From your other posts I'm wondering what you've been doing for that 10yrs+.==========================================Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.DTS can be used in a similar way.Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy.Edited by - nr on 04/24/2003 09:01:34 |
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nr
SQLTeam MVY
12543 Posts |
Posted - 2003-04-24 : 09:59:05
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| Looked at the Oracle link.First entry says that oracle is fastest in world on Linux - and that there are no figures for IBM and Microsoft!Microsoft SQL Server compromises performance to maintain data consistencySo does Oracle compromise data consistency to maintain performance? Is that a good thing.This link does seem make some valid points - e.g. sql server only runs on windows, locking can be a problem, ...But that's why you need to design and implement well.When I've converted from Oracle it's always run much faster - but then a newly designed system always should.This sounds very much like a religious diatribe though - not what I would expect from a company that had well founded faith in it's product. Strange as I have a lot of respect for Oracle - expected better.==========================================Cursors are useful if you don't know sql.DTS can be used in a similar way.Beer is not cold and it isn't fizzy.Edited by - nr on 04/24/2003 09:59:48 |
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chadmat
The Chadinator
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Posted - 2003-04-25 : 00:46:51
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| I notice that he gave you a link to the Oracle website to see their spin on TPC numbers. Why not go to the actual TPC site and see for yourself as Andraax said.Or look at this link [url]http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/030424/245952_1.html[/url]-Chadhttp://www.clrsoft.comSoftware built for the Common Language Runtime. |
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